How will HAMs get better when they're not touching HAMs but giving medium turrets a buff to their fitting requirements and introducing TDs that affect missiles? HAMs can only get worse than they currently are, and currently, they're really not very good. The velocity change proposal is only affecting Heavy Missiles, perhaps you got confused.

If a frig is letting itself get webbed then it's already failed at kiting and has nothing to do with the quality of HAMs. HAMs have a paper range of about 20km with faction missiles. But if you're chasing something that's burning away from you at 1100+ ms you lose half that range due to missile travel. It's very easy to kite a HAM fit unless it's on a bonused ship like a Cerberus. This is why HMLs are used over HAMs even for most under 20km engagements. So I feel if they want to nerf the HML so that it falls in line with other long range medium weaponry, they need to buff the HAM a little so that it steps up to be competitive in the close range department.

About time my NH got nerfed, it's so much better than using a Sleipnir with 3k dps sustainable tank without crystals, while still pushing out 800+ dps.
Those damn caldari HACs and command ships are so stupidly OP!

Would be nice if they at least provided some lube when raping a lot of already under-performing Caldari ships (all caracal hulls, NH, raven, golem, onyx)

Note: Drake is very strong (borderline OP) and Tengu is the most OP ship in all of EvE, but it's not due to HMLs being OP.

The nighthawk was a useless pile of garbage before the missile nerfs . . . .

Once heavy missiles are back in line and the drake gets changed, the nighthawk can be looked at

Two ships are used so heavily because they are the best for that weapon system either in dps or isk/efficiency. Were it not for the cheapness of a Drake in isk and sp, the Cerb would look better. Were it not for the dps of the Tengu the Nighthawk would look better. They all have very good tanks.

I italisized your above quote where I have to ask what are you saying. Medium pulse and medium ac are roughly being used in equal numbers. Medium blasters are not. That shows you the importance of range. And, you seem to miss the strength of TE falloff bonuses on medium ac use.

Falloff sucks. But to have TEs give so much a larger bonus on falloff than optimal makes ac dps loss from falloff still workable. Then combine that with speed advantages falloff becomes even less of a suck. And the numbers on medium pulse are coming solely from heavy Zealot use. The Zealot is not used though for the damage being op. It is used because you can fit them on a ship with decent ab speed and a heavy tank (new tech II 1600 plates and sig tanking), and still have decent enough range for a short range weapon system. There is no such combination for blasters and Gallente boats. DPS projection still languishes. So yes, neither medium ac or medium pulse are op in comparison with each other, unlike HMs v all the other medium long range weapons.



You appear to be ignoring all the little buffs CCP has recently and will be giving to small and medium missiles other than HMs. Caldari is far from getting screwed in the frigate rebalancing. In fact the Caldari frigates are doing a lot better than their counterparts.

You keep whining about Cruises. Hell yeah they are lackluster. But that's just it. Read the OP again. Fozzie stated they had to address the medium weapon systems at this time because the current imbalances were fubarring any attempts to comprehensively rebalance medium ships, Cruisers.

Welcome to the crowd wishing they could get to everything at once. But they can't/won't. So fixes to Cruises or Torps and thus to BSs will have to wait til they get to that step. And the Nighthawk may have to wait longer since I suspect they will finish BSs before they address tech II ships (and that may start with frigs again, although I don't know why they couldn't work down in size when they get to tech II).

Lastly, I'm going to say to you again, you have to stop making assertions like "there are more Canes than Drakes in lowsec". You and I can have differing perceptions of use there, and state them. But neither you nor I can profess to have any statistical knowledge of the true lowsec usage numbers of those ships. CCP can though. And they apparently are not seeing the Drake plague as a solely nullsec phenomenon.

As one who doesn't PvP much what was the issue with that fit?

Well based on your asb hawks performance against my enyo a few days ago i have come to the conclusion that you are actually the "terribubble" player.

As for cane being replaced by tiers 3s... Maybe this argument is somewhat valid when comparing the arty cane to tier 3 however when fitting the the ship in a more conventional role it's still by far the mot versatile of the bcs. You've got reasonable ehp values (60k+) when armor fit on top of 2x webs, and nuets. The armor cane really does not have much competition in the current bc lineup as it' the runaway obvious choice. It's been unquestionably overpowered for years now and i expect further nerfs to the ship or significant buffs to comparable bcs before next summer's xpack.

Oh I did however your blatant attempt at underplaying your obvious miss click mistake was rather underwhelming. Saying things like "I went back to writing" to try and underplay it further is convincing no one. I will look forward to thrashing you again in the near future. Do try and not make noob mistakes next time, it makes the kills worth so much less for me.